Nuclear Is Good, What will it take to convince you?
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Last year, the UK government announced their plan to build new nuclear power stations in 11 locations in England and Wales in order to meet their CO2 emission targets. Nuclear offers a clean, near limitless energy solution that could allow the UK to meet its emission targets without having to moderate consumer's access to energy. The broad public however is everything but prepared to accept the move. Over the past few years, science have failed to assuage the public's unscientifically-based fears and sometimes irrational concerns over nuclear energy.
With his speculative proposal Nuclear is good. What will it take to convince you?, Oliver Goodhall is trying to shape convincing arguments in favour of nuclear energy. The project is in no way propaganda, it's more about opening up a debate about nuclear energy and energy policy in general. The video below gives a clear overview of Oliver Goodhall's project: One of the outcome of Goodhall's research was walking and talking tour to the site of a potential power station in Bradwell-on-sea, in Essex, England. He enrolled nuclear engineers, environmentalists and designers to have a nuclear-theme picnic with plenty of mushrooms and toxic-looking icecream but more importantly, to exchange views about nuclear energy in a way that would not have been possible had the encounter taken place in an office meeting room.
Among some of Oliver's proposals is a protective barrage cloud hovering over the power station to respond to fears of a disaster incident that would release radiation into the atmosphere; benefits to citizens for accepting to take responsibility of their individual nuclear waste; a special emergency team always on call to intervene in case of a problem at the power station, etc. What if we ask for protective barrage balloons, establish concrete emergency services and resign ourselves to the perceived 'hazards'? What if we embrace pet polar bears and pineapple ice cream along with other benefits that nuclear energy could bring? And what if not; are we prepared for blackouts instead?
After having watched the video for the project and seen Oliver's works at the Design Interactions show last June, i still needed to ask him a couple of questions:
My research was based on UK policy, partly because of the immediacy of some of decisions that need to be taken (the Department of Energy and Climate Change was running consultation on the new nuclear power stations at the same time as the beginnings of my project too) and partly because of the re-emergence of nuclear energy as a potential energy source after a long time out in the cold. My favourite examples of other strategies employed by other countries came from France. This probably stems from France being highly invested in nuclear energy, and it gets over 75% of its electricity this way. A couple of these examples formed the basis for some of my proposals - although I extrapolated them to a farther fetched conclusion. One was the reporting of the Chernobyl accident in the French press whereby a supposed meteorological anticyclone effect prevented the radioactive cloud from settling, which was discredited more recently. If that story allayed fears about a nuclear accident in France for all that time, then could it be a solution to generate an artificial anticyclone to protect UK inhabitants from this perceived hazard? The other example I enjoyed was about the channel tunnel. In order to meet CO2 emission reduction targets Eurostar switched is electricity supply from 50% UK 50% France to 100% France. As nuclear energy produces a tiny fraction of the CO2 emissions of the coal and gas-fired power the UK relies on, this slight of hand allowed them to easily meet their target. What if you scaled this up as a policy solution applied to parts of the UK? I thought these were both fascinating examples, although not necessarily for entirely honorable reasons.
A part of your project involved a guided tour of the site of a potential new nuclear power station in Bradwell-on-sea, Essex. Do you know if the inhabitants of the area have a say in the installation of the power station? Did you go around Bradwell-on-sea to ask how people felt about the proposal? Locally, they are consulted as part of the planning of the Government's proposed power stations and the local people I spoke to (although not many) were positive about Bradwell producing electricity again. It is a big industry, offering jobs and employment and local prosperity - before the current power station was decommissioned it provided a socio-economic stimulus to this part of Essex. Interestingly, there were quite a few anti-windfarm stickers in the village protesting the nearby off-shore wind farm. So it's not that people are undiscerning about their energy supply choices.
What were the reactions to your project outside of the design sphere? Did you get feedback, invitations, critiques and comments from members of the governments or from scientists? My proposals came from 9 months of research and investigation, and were heavily influenced by conversations I had with professionals from the fields of ethics, political science, materials chemistry and the Government's Department of Energy and Climate Change. Reactions were varied, but these other professional fields are engaging with the topics I was interested in; affecting policy choices and contributing to decision-making. I think in terms of design, a common question tends to be 'what did you design?'. I say I designed an argument. Engaging with large-scale policy topics requires negotiating complex issues, getting to grips with them, and finding ways to engage the public in a meaningful debate. I'm keen to take a similar approach to other topics, such as rising sea levels, GM or land use futures (there was an interesting government report issued earlier this year on this).
The practice I established, We Made That, has just been offered an opportunity to take forward a project on energy supply vs. demand - so I think that the approach has a broader value. I'm a bit puzzled by your idea of a cloud hovering around station. i guess i'm not comfortable with the association between cloud and nuclear. Can you explain me what it would be made of and how it would work? This was loosely based on the example of the Windscale fire incident; escape of radioactive particles through the containment being breached. Reactors now have containment and passive safety controls. But these are shrouded within a generic shed-type building - the cloud was about us considering a more conspicuous and obvious safety infrastructure. What would it take to convince you that this safety infrastructure was sufficient? The conversations that stemmed from this proposal were very interesting - especially with the nuclear engineers - about the 'public understanding of' reactor safety, and what measures might be most expedient to convince an unsure public. Some of this debate can be seen in the documentary film of the guided tour.
You mentioned that science didn't quite manage to convince about the benefits of adopting nuclear energy and that a reason for that was that science had to face argument that are "irrational or unscientifically founded". Can you tell us more about these arguments and why they are unscientifically founded? Nuclear energy has been around for 60 years in the UK, but now we are at a point of dilemma; looming climate change alters our perspective on energy production. If the scientific arguments put forward are falling on deaf ears then how else can you go about convincing naysayers that difficult choices need to be made? On the guided tour there were both pro-nuclear and anti-nuclear participants - and the argument between them typically came back to; "It's very very unlikely, imperceptibly unlikely, that something could get out of all that containment"... "But is that meant to comfort people?" This reinforces that a shift in tactics or approach might be necessary - although not an admission that science might be very comfortable with.
You will present your work at the sustain 2010 exhibition. Are you going to present the project in the exact same way you did at the Summer show? Or has the content of your project or the way you communicate it changed over the past few weeks/months? I'll actually be showing the project differently. I imagine it will remain fairly provocative in terms of sustainability, nuclear tends to be a divisive topic, but the implications of our energy choices still need to be addressed. Setting these energy choices against climate change leads to difficult questions. I personally consider nuclear to be necessary as part of an eco-pragmatic energy agenda. My approach to the project considered nuclear the 'what if', but there's also a 'what if not?' choice available to us - but maybe this is less palatable than the nuclear option. As you might be able to tell, I question whether it is genuinely 'sustainable' to continue making more 'sustainable products' - and I would rather address the fundamentals at the root of our energy choices. Thanks Oliver! |
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The article said nothing about using thorium instead of uranium for nuclear reactors.
The liquid fluoride thorium reactor (LFTR) circumvents most of the problems associated with nuclear power. For more information, simply do a google search on "thorium reactor."
What would it take to convince Oliver Goodhall (and Régine Debatty?) that nuclear energy is not "good" and "clean" but something very problematic?
Where one should mention that the fact that "...something could get out of all that containment"
is not at the center of concern.
I have been discussing several issues of nuclear energy on our blog at randform.de/blog feel invited to leave a scientifically founded comment. There is also currently a discussion at another blog about the limits of nuclear energy were I left a collection of links to the nuclear posts at randform in the comment section:
http://johncarlosbaez.wordpress.com/2010/09/03/how-long-would-uranium-last/#comment-1003
http://johncarlosbaez.wordpress.com/2010/09/03/how-long-would-uranium-last/#comment-1030
Is this a joke? This is propaganda that is retrograde and naïve. If this is a look at our energy policies, there is not a mention of coal and petroleum and the decades-long subsidies and tax allowances that squelched any alternative, sustainable technologies from competing in the marketplace. And now nuclear is going to step in as a serious “alternative”? Do we continue to pay out taxpayer dollars and confidence to corporate, capital-intensive energy projects that will require huge subsidies for liability insurance, waste disposal and decommissioning? What happened to neighborhood, community and regional hands-on engagement?
I’ll meet you at the Meltdown Mall.
Hi Nad,
don't forget i'm just the messenger and most of the time i'm not using this blog as propaganda. especially not for pro-nuclear propaganda. i'm a reporter, not a columnist. i would actually not have felt comfortable writing this story if Oliver's project had just been this blind propaganda for nuclear, but i believe it's something entirely different. i even wrote it in the post (maybe i should underline it more strongly): "The project is in no way propaganda, it's more about opening up a debate about nuclear energy and energy policy in general". the way i see the project is that it's a trigger for a discussion about nuclear energy, about engaging openly with the fears and questions it triggers. it is quite provocative, i even wondered if the title was not too much of a slapping in the face but if that's what it takes to have people sit down and discuss about UK energy policy so be it
Hey Régine,
thanks for answering to my comment.
Yes, you wrote: "The project is in no way propaganda, it's more about opening up a debate about nuclear energy and energy policy in general."
The problem is just that sentences, like "Nuclear offers a clean, near limitless energy solution" and "Nuclear is good" (in the headline!) are presented above not as rather emotional and personal opinions (namely those as I understood of Oliver Goodhall) but as "scientific facts", see also the sentences:
"science have failed to assuage the public's unscientifically-based fears and sometimes irrational concerns over nuclear energy."
or
"You mentioned that science didn't quite manage to convince about the benefits of adopting nuclear energy and that a reason for that was that science had to face argument that are "irrational or unscientifically founded".
This sounds as if "science" is already convinced about the benefits of adopting nuclear energy! BUT OF COURSE THERE ARE SCIENTIFIC FACTS WHICH SPEAK ALSO VERY MUCH against USING NUCLEAR ENERGY FOR ENERGY CONSUMPTION (e.g. see the above links)
You are right it is good to have a public debate about the whole issue, because in some sense political/economical descicions have to be (and are) made. And these may in the future even be more difficult.
Let me explain what I mean with political descisions: I think I would myself opt for using nuclear energy e.g. if nothing works anymore and everybody would be starving. Luckily we are not yet at that point. I would not opt to use nuclear energy so that jetting around becomes easy and cheap, since I know about the risks of nuclear energy. One could avoid a lot of that waste of energy without too much pain. So in a political debate you have to balance the known scientific facts. And people have to be informed. Especially about the risks.
Like unfortunately it is not clear to many people (Oliver Goodhall?) that "using nuclear energy" in the near future would mean in particular "using a new type of nuclear energy". And that that "new type" looks (at least to me) much more dangerous than what is currently used.
Concluding there is a purely scientific debate (like about the risks) on one side and an emotional and political debate on the other side. It is important to make the difference between those visible.
In particular people have to understand that if you make scientific statements without any reference to given scientific investigations/arguments etc. than this is highly unscientific and should be rather called emotional and it should be clear that the statement is not a scientific one. One can't just invent the assertion that "nuclear is clean" in science. One has at least to say what clean means, why one thinks so, on which investigations this is based etc.